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Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« on: February 23, 2008, 01:18:31 PM »

This topic has always got me stumped every time I get into thinking about it. I always thought there was from playing AVP:Extiction , but not sure.
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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2008, 02:56:13 PM »

The films have given no overt indication that there's a difference.  I've seen the idea come up as a way to make sense of the difference between smooth heads and ridged heads.  I guess the game developers and/or comic writers took that and ran with it.

Cameron's original script does call for "drones," but they were intended to be tiny white critters who maintain the hive and tend the Queen.  Nothing like our eight-foot killers.
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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2008, 06:08:41 PM »

Don't mix games (or comic books or anything non-canon) with movies, never.

Aliens are all the same, you just need to choose a theory for the ridged heads.
I personally chose the age theory. The most relevant theory however is just that James Cameron wanted a different alien and didn't like or want the dome, there.
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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2008, 12:55:55 PM »

 The theory I go by is that there is a certain gene that is shut off in a drone well a rigid has that same gene but it is on which gives them different appearence.

I saw it on the discovery channel that birds have the same genes as dinosaurs but the genes are shut off. Scientist tested on a chicken embryo and were able to give it scaly legs, alligator like teeth, and about 16 vertebrates in it tail instead of 5-8 of them.

I would go with the age theory but then that theory is kinda messed up with the rigid aliens in AVP-R.
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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2008, 12:59:39 PM »

Well I don't mix Alien with AvP so it's ok to me.
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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2008, 01:14:43 PM »

I tried that but it didn't work out well.
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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2008, 06:08:44 PM »

Summat I wrote 6 years ago (and have not revised since)...

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Are there different varieties of Alien?

What the films say : The Alien(s) in each film look different. The second film has the creatures lacking the translucent cowl of the first Alien and different number and configuration of fingers. In the third film, the creature lacks the dorsal tube and spike in the middle of the shoulder blades, and while having the same number of fingers as the original (six), the second & third and fourth & fifth are fused. The fourth film has the creature looking more like the original, but with elongated feet and fingers (four this time, though the index and middle fingers are much longer than normal).

The Alien in the first film predominantly killed (all except Dallas - conjecturally), as did the creature in the third film (pretty much everyone – though it did kill Clemens then abduct the body; Andrews was dragged off then, judging from the blood, killed). The creatures in the second film mainly captured hosts, and only killed a few (Ferro, Spunkmeyer, probably Burke, possibly Wierzbowski). The Aliens in Resurrection did a bit of both (Elgyn, Perez, the flash frozen guard, the lifeboat occupants were killed outright; Hillard, Gediman, at least half a dozen others were abducted – though there’s a better than even chance Hillard drowned). There are well over a hundred PDT signals seen in Aliens. Hudson commented it “looks like all of ‘em [the colonists]”. We don’t know if all the colonists were abducted or some were killed and taken to use for food, especially since the issue of whether Aliens actually eat is also unresolved.

Some contend the Aliens in the second film are a slightly different breed that capture rather than kill and are distinguished by their ribbed heads. They can kill if the situation necessitates, but usually capture. Others claim the Aliens in the second film are just the same as the ones in other films, but are a bit older and lose/ shed their cowl at a certain point in their development.

All chestbursters have a smooth head.

All Aliens have the ribbed heads – but three out of the four we’ve seen have a cowl covering it. It should also be noted that the Aliens in films one, three and four are only up to 4 days old at best, while the Aliens in the second film could conceivably be 4 weeks old – possibly older.

The only distinction ever made between Aliens is made by Ripley in Alien3 when she notes the difference between the creature that burst from Spike the dog and the ones she’s previously seen.

Aside from the differentiation between adult Alien and Queen the films don’t directly address any different varieties of Alien.

What the novelisations say : A C Crispin refers to the Aliens in the Resurrection novel as “warriors”, but no other types are mentioned. Alan Dean Foster draws on James Cameron’s shooting script when he mentions drones – smaller, albino Aliens whose sole purpose is to tend the Queen and her eggs.

What the scripts say : Aside from the aforementioned albino drones, the scripts don’t support different varieties of Alien. The albino drones don’t appear in the theatrical or Special Edition release of Aliens, and there is no evidence to suggest they were ever created or shot.

What Aliens vs. Predator says : The second installment of the first-person-shooter computer game has drones (same as second film), runners (same as third film), praetorians (royal guards), predaliens (Aliens bred out of Predators), Queens and an Empress (Queen of Queens). The original AvP arcade game has warriors, stalkers, chrysalis, smashers, razor claws, the list goes on. The original Aliens arcade game also had many different varieties. The varieties in computer games are very likely just that – for variety. Stops the game from getting boring.

What the official Alien Legacy website says : Soldiers abduct hosts and drones tend the hive. Seeing as this is in the area of the website devoted to the second film, this may be in reference to Cameron’s albino drones.

What James Cameron says : Has made reference to drones and warriors outside of his script, but it’s likely he’s referring to the ones in said script. He has also concurred that the ribbed head Aliens looked that way due to age. His original intention was not to make any distinction – he simply left the Aliens without a cowl for aesthetic reasons. He has also said his opinions on what happens off screen hold as much weight as anyone elses (ie. not a great deal).

What Dark Horse comics say : There are warriors/ drones (though as far as the Network can tell, these seem to be the pretty much the same thing), royal guards, Queens and Queen Mothers.  Though research in this area is incomplete, Aliens : Colonial Marines comic editor Dan Thorsland has this to say in response to a readers letter “The ridged head/ smooth head point is a good one, Brendan, and in a hive situation, there may be subtle differences – or “classes” – of Aliens. There have been many discussions concerning this around these parts, and the conclusion reached is always the same: They’re Aliens, and as such, we can only guess.”

What the CCG says : There are warriors, pet hybrids (same as the Alien on Fiorina), predator hybrids, royal guards, Queens, and something called a warrior Queen, which seems to be be a Queen sans egg-sac.

What the RPG says : There are warriors, sentries (middle men between the warriors and Queen; aesthetically identical to warriors) and Queens. Warriors are able to lay one egg per day if it 15 pounds of organic material is consumed. Queens progress through 10 growth stages.

What the Colonial Marines Technical Manual says : Author Lee Brimmicombe-Wood cleverly tiptoes around the issue by only offering speculation. There’s talk of ‘worker drones’ and Queens, then speculation about there being a caste system based on there being soldiers, hunter-gatherers, and nurse-maids to the Queen, but in the same breath admitting there is a possibility that the ‘worker drone’ handles all the aforementioned roles as follows…

“I’m interested in the whole hive structure concept. We know there are at least two types of alien – queen and worker drone. Could there be any more?”
“Possibly. We don’t have enough visual evidence to make a guess. It would seem consistent that there was some kind of caste polymorphism in the species based on function, though it’s also credible that the worker drone is a multi-function type, acting as a soldier, hunter-gatherer and nursemaid to the queen.”

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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2008, 01:00:20 PM »

SM, that has to be one of the best, and most detailed examinations I've seen (+)

Based on visual evidence in the films I don't think there is any distinction between a worker and a warrior.  I think the caste system within the hive is two-tiered: Queen and adult.

In ALIENS, ALIEN RESURRECTION, and AVP we see a Queen and her adult minions, and in each film we do not see any variation in physiology or behavior among adults to indicate that there are any such delineations between what might be considered and drone or a warrior.
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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2008, 06:01:55 PM »

Me personaly, having played the game I think that the Warrior is the protector and defends the hive from intruders. While the drones are deeper in the hive producing hive web and getting host ready for impregination. So the drones and warriors are two different castes. Also the warrior is a deeper blueish black, while the drone is a dark black. This is what I think. Headbite!
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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2008, 06:42:59 PM »

Since they all look the same and perform the same functions within the same hive, they're all just "adult aliens".
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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2008, 07:14:05 PM »

Yup.
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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2008, 07:15:42 PM »

Also note that it makes no difference what host the Alien had in terms of work. The differences are only physical.

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Because I'm browsing from work I've got my window shrunk to about 2cm by 2cm. So after clicking "Last post by" it took me to Mal's and SM's "Yup". Making me assume there was only three posts in this thread. Don't have much time to read SM's essay, but I assume it covers everything.
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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2008, 08:26:50 PM »

As long as everything don't include the crossover franchise that daren't speak it's name - then yeah, of course it does.

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Re: Is there a difference between warrior and drone aliens
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2008, 09:06:08 PM »

As far as I'm concerned there are no "drones". Drones imply males that don't reproduce, not even via the egg morphing. All the warrior aliens are hormonally "female" despite not having any sexual organs or anything else indicative of gender.

Various video games present drones but they are non-canonical.
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