what did we all think of Clemens death

[aaron_WY]

Posted at AvP Outbreak on 25.02.2006 at 12:49:53

His character was very intersting and probley one or if not the most devolped character in the whole series. When he died i was very shocked and surprised to see him die like that. And the movie felt dissapointing for a while it just hit you so hard how the death was suprising.
 
What did anyone else think of Clemens death.

[drake]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 25.02.2006 at 14:01:24

Yeah, I thought he was the most developed character bar Ripley and it shocked me when he died - but I think that may be what Fincher was going for there - shock.
 
On the other hand, the rest of the cast was in shambles and it could be down to the outragous amount of script changes that Clemens met his demise at such a surprising speed and  time. "

[O'Malley]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 25.02.2006 at 15:02:39

The first time I saw it, it surprised me just because it was such an atypical move for a Hollywood film, especially in the context of that scene.  I expected Ripley to fight the Alien off and save Clemens or something, but when it took that chunk out of his head, it took me a few seconds to realize what I saw.  But then again, it sort of seemed like a logical progression, given the events so far and now that we knew his mysterious backstory.  All in all, I felt a little bit cheated, as it seemed like an opportunity had finally presented itself to create a decent shock and they just went for it, regardless of how the character may have benefitted the movie later on.  But maybe that was the point.  It sure did make the movie feel pretty lonely for a while. "

[Hudson]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 25.02.2006 at 18:54:45

I thought it was an excellent move.  They killed the guy that everybody liked and left Ripley completely alone with the inmates since Andrews dies right after and no one really respects Aaron that much to give him authority.  I just thought that for an Alien movie, Clemens" death was perfect, it fit right in with the style of Boggs" and Rains" deaths which were very cool I thought. "

[Dutch90]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 25.02.2006 at 19:34:38

Yeah, it was a pretty interesting move that really changed the tone of the movie. Realism at its finest! "

[Cryonaut]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 25.02.2006 at 20:09:10

It really pissed me off. I respect what Fincher and them were doing with the whole shock value/realism/anti-Swiss Family robinson deal but at that point in the movie, Clemens was the only thing to really get attached to after HIX ate it, and him getting killed off as well just really crossed the line. It was a good approach(in respects to the morbid tone of the entire film) but too much to handle, almost overdone IMO. "

[Hudson]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 26.02.2006 at 02:27:08

Wel, you know Clemens would have either had that really well done death scene, or an absolutely crappy death in the "PLAN B" sequence with everyone running around all over the place.  His death at the beginning was much better. "

[aaron_WY]

Posted at AvP Outbreak on 26.02.2006 at 08:35:09

It still a wonder why they killled him of so quickley and I wonder Dance thought of it when he saw it.

[Hudson]

Posted at AvP Outbreak on 26.02.2006 at 21:24:25

He probably was glad to be out of the movie as early as he was.

[SM]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 27.02.2006 at 00:08:49

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His character was very intersting and probley one or if not the most devolped character in the whole series.

 
How is he the most developed character (I assume you"re not counting Ripley)?
 
Dillon was more developed than Clemens.  I"d even venture to say so was Aaron.  Possibly even Morse.  They all had something of an arc where they develop on screen.  Clemens" arc was over before the film even started and he"s dead by the 55 minute mark.
 
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It still a wonder why they killled him of so quickley

 
I don"t wonder at all.  Clemens (like Hicks and Andrews) was a buffer between Ripley and the prisoners.  Hence their removal from the story.  To make things more interesting, we need the conflict between Ripley and the prisoners (similar to Ripley vs Parker and Ash; Ripley vs. Burke, Gorman and Bishop; Johner vs. everyone).  Clemens and Andrews prevent this until the half way point in the film, when they"re forced to interact in order to survive. "

[deezelboy]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 27.02.2006 at 10:26:56

I"m with SM on the development side, but Clemens is the most sympathetically drawn character in Alien 3, even to the extent that he"s the only person whom we know what he did to get sent to Fiorina, yet strangely it makes no difference in our appraisal of him.
 
It always feel like Fincher was directing Alien 3 to deliberately crush any audience expectations.  There"s a playfulness at work there.  While we"re three films in to the series that offed the Dallas captain/hero figure just to keep us on our toes, it"s difficult to watch Alien 3 that first time without looking at Clemens and thinking that"s the Hicks replacement.
 
Thank God he got killed in the first act.  If he and Ripley had teamed up to hunt the Alien Alien 3 might have felt like a Dickensian version of the X-Files!    "

[Dutch90]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 27.02.2006 at 10:44:19

on 27.02.2006 at 10:26:56, deezelboy  wrote:

I"m with SM on the development side, but Clemens is the most sympathetically drawn character in Alien 3, even to the extent that he"s the only person whom we know what he did to get sent to Fiorina, yet strangely it makes no difference in our appraisal of him.

 
Don"t we also learn why Dillon and (to a lesser extent) Golic are on Fury 16?  
 
On a side note, I also recall reading something somewhere about what some of the other prisoners got jailed for. Morse is in for "grand theft spaceship", for instance.
"

[deezelboy]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 27.02.2006 at 11:25:17

on 27.02.2006 at 10:44:19, Dutch90  wrote:

Don"t we also learn why Dillon and (to a lesser extent) Golic are on Fury 16?

Caught you, Mr Whedon!  
 
Well, kinda, although not in anywhere near the detail of Clemens.  We just get a very basic "raper/killer of women" line with both of them, but nowhere is Clemens called a killer of over 100 men.
 
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On a side note, I also recall reading something somewhere about what some of the other prisoners got jailed for. Morse is in for "grand theft spaceship", for instance.

Morse could fly a spaceship?    
 
Had him down as an armed robber myself, although I think that came from those collectors cards. "

[Hudson]

Posted at AvP Outbreak on 27.02.2006 at 23:53:42

I think Murphy is the Grand Theft of a Space Vehicle and Morse is a robber.  That"s what I"ve read.

[SM]

Posted at AvP Outbreak on 28.02.2006 at 00:05:01

He"s a wobber!
 
AND a wapist!!