Could these games fit into the movie universe?

[Dutch90]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 25.07.2005 at 12:17:58

Let’s look at the things seen in the games:
 
1) Praetorian. It is created in a molting process of a regular Alien that can last for years. Since the regular Aliens in the movies were never older than several weeks, technically a Praetorian doesn’t contradict anything from the movies.
 
2) Empress. It would seem that there is only need for an Empress when there are multiple Queens, and we never saw more than one Queen at the same time in the movies. Ergo.....
 
3) Predalien. Nothing contradicting here; it uses the same concept as Alien?, and also appeared in the AVP movie.
 
4) Royal Predator bloodline. This was merely a theory of Rykov, based on strange markings on a Predator’s mask that could have been anything. Not only does it not necessarily contradict anything from the movies, it doesn’t even have to be true.
 
5) Predator Remote Bomb. The Predator in Predator 2 also had weapons that the one in Predator didn’t have.
 
6) Perez’s comments in Alien: Resurrection: ’’Ellen Ripley died trying to wipe this species out. For all intents and purposes, she succeeded.’’ This suggests that there has been no contact with the Aliens since Alien?. That would negate this game, since it takes place between A? and A:R. However, wouldn’t Weyland-Yutani try to cover up the fishy events in the game, and possibly even succeed in doing so?
 
7) Conestega type spaceships being decommisioned in 2180. The Verloc is such a ship (like the Sulaco and Patna), while the game takes place in 2230/2231. However, the decommision thing is never said or implied in the movies, and do the outside sources where this comes from count as canon? Besides, a plot hole like this wouldn’t necessarily discount the game, with such a mindset one could also write off all Alien sequels as non-canonical due to plot holes.
 
8- The Artifact. I’ve never played Primal Hunt, but the whole Artifact thing doesn’t sound like it would contradict anything related to the Space Jockeys (we hardly know anything about them anyway). "

[Deathbite]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 25.07.2005 at 19:15:57

Nobody really considers the games to be filled with accurate information. Not regarding what you posted, but other, smaller, things: Such as the ability to kill an Alien with a knife while it’s clawing at you. An Alien’s ability to leap like 50 feet into the air. I know their physically dexterious, but their not fleas. A chestburster surviving gunshots, stupid things like that have made fans believe the games to be too far-fetched to be taken as canon.
 
on 25.07.2005 at 12:17:58, Dutch90  wrote:

2) Empress. It would seem that there is only need for an Empress when there are multiple Queens, and we never saw more than one Queen at the same time in the movies. Ergo.....

I never managed to understand the purpose for an Empress. The Aliens already have a reproductive unit, a tough one, at that, why would they need a bigger one? Is this "Empress" the one who rules over the other Queens? Why? Is it merely another stage in a Queen’s development? From what I gathered in the game, it’s merely another Queen, just bigger...
 
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3) Predalien. Nothing contradicting here; it uses the same concept as Alien?, and also appeared in the AVP movie.

I feel this one conflicts. Although dogs and humans might be closer genetically than a human and a Predator, I can’t see how an Alien born from a Predator would end up being a Predator with tail. Based on A3, I’d imagine an Alien born from a Pred, although taking some attributes, would still look similar to all the Aliens we’ve seen in-film so far. Hell, the AvP2 PredAlien doesn’t even have skin coloring similar to either Predator or Alien skin.
 
The PredAlien of the first AvP causes less trouble, since we understand that that one was man-made. And, was the Predator’s version of the Newborn, if you will. "

[Dutch90]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 26.07.2005 at 23:09:42

I see what you mean. As for the Empress, I’d figure that when there were multiple Queens, an Empress would be useful as some kind of ’supreme leader’. I guess the Aliens don’t ’want’ there to be multiple leaders (Queens); it could work desorientating, so there is one single superior leader (Empress) to control all Aliens, basically to ’maintain order and stability’.
 
’One Alien to rule them all’, if you will.
 
It would work like this:
 
         EMPRESS
        /        
    QUEEN    QUEEN
   |      |    |   |     |
     OTHER ALIENS "

[Deathbite]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 28.07.2005 at 01:32:28

But why would the Aliens need this "supreme ruler"? As far as I know, the Aliens know what to and how to do it already. Even without a Queen the Aliens can work well. And since the Queen isn’t meant to fight, being even bigger would be of no use. I might buy it if this "Empress" were to be some sort of ’link’ between other, younger hives to keep all Alien hives in constant knowledge of each other’s status and promote closer teamwork between all of them. But as simply an egg layer than can boss other egg layers around, nah. "

[Jason Wolf]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 28.07.2005 at 01:48:29

When there was a book that had basically the Queen of all Queens, the Empress basically, and the book said that only certain people, who are very small in numbers, have a link with the Empress and she can talk to them in their dreams. Doubt that. But any way, it also said that once the Empress was destroyed, all the aliens basically split in two, 1 group fighting the other. So my guess is that the Empress is the brain of the whole Alien race and with out her, the race would be thrown into chaos. It also said the Empress lives on a planet where Drones are the size of Queens. Ofcoarse all these books take place after Resurrection when the Earth is being infected by Aliens. Then there is the problem with Ripley in the Movie and Book. In the Movie, we see she kind of has Alien blood and can sence a Queen, but in the book we find out that she is an synth. "

[Dutch90]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 28.07.2005 at 15:58:54

on 28.07.2005 at 01:32:28, Deathbite  wrote:

But why would the Aliens need this "supreme ruler"? As far as I know, the Aliens know what to and how to do it already. Even without a Queen the Aliens can work well. And since the Queen isn’t meant to fight, being even bigger would be of no use. I might buy it if this "Empress" were to be some sort of ’link’ between other, younger hives to keep all Alien hives in constant knowledge of each other’s status and promote closer teamwork between all of them. But as simply an egg layer than can boss other egg layers around, nah.

 
The ’link’ is what I meant, kind of. The need for an Empress would only arise when there were multiple Queens, because when there is only one Queen, she is the dominant leader. When there are multiple Queens, the need for one superior leader would arise, because having more than one ’top dog’ would cause imbalance. Kind of like a goverment- there is always one single president, king, queen, emperor, empress or prime minister instead of multiple ones. I figure that the Empress on LV-1201 would be unique to the planet- there are no other Empresses there.  
 
I guess the Empress’s egg-laying capability is not really necessary, but probably a remainder of her initial Queen status- according to AVP2, Empresses are created, not born- the Queens determine an ’ascendant ruler’ (possibly by fighting eachother, like wasp queens) which then becomes an Empress (probably via a short growing/molting process, since the Empress looks very similar to a Queen). In the fourth Alien mission, when you’re in the Pods, at one point you’ll hear a long speech held by some WY corporate (obviously played by the same actor as Rykov, Jeff Steitzer). Then, one guy named Mencus complains about how the ’young Queens will struggle to determine a new ascendant ruler’ if the Hive(s) lose(s) the Empress.
 
This, and the other things I mentioned, could theoretically fit into the movie universe (but the games as a whole can’t). The Empress could get canonized in a next movie, just like how the AVP movie canonized the Predalien; it doesn’t contradict the movies. But if they include a Predalien in a movie, I agree that they should use a new design; the design from the AVP2 game was way overdone. "

[Shadow]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 28.07.2005 at 16:03:12

i would like to see sum of that in movies,but AVP only "

[Jason Wolf]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 28.07.2005 at 16:43:14

yeah, ofcoarse. what you said Dutch is kind of like what I said, if the Empress is destroyed the whole race will basically go into chaos. So if they do put in the Empress, they are going to make her seem like the Brain of the whole Alien race. I mean if it shows that the Empress is in danger, every single alien on that planet will come to her no matter what. "

[Deathbite]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 29.07.2005 at 01:39:07

on 28.07.2005 at 15:58:54, Dutch90  wrote:

The need for an Empress would only arise when there were multiple Queens, because when there is only one Queen, she is the dominant leader. When there are multiple Queens, the need for one superior leader would arise, because having more than one ’top dog’ would cause imbalance.

That’s what I don’t get. One Queen per hive wouldn’t cause any type of ’imbalance’. Especially when we remember that the Queen’s purpose in a hive is that of laying eggs.
 
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if the Empress is destroyed the whole race will basically go into chaos.

That’s ridiculous. We’ve already seen that Aliens can handle themselves fine even without a Queen. "

[Jason Wolf]

Posted at AvP Outbreak on 29.07.2005 at 03:24:14

What I ment is that the drones and queens are basically mindless compared to the Empress. If she is gone then they will change and one set of hives will break away from the rest and will fight the others. kind of like the yellow aliens in Extinction. Yet ofcoarse I’m saying what I read in the Alien books.

[Deathbite]

Posted at AvP Outbreak on 29.07.2005 at 04:20:51

Good thing I never read that book...  :-/  

[Dutch90]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 29.07.2005 at 08:45:58

on 29.07.2005 at 01:39:07, Deathbite  wrote:

That’s what I don’t get. One Queen per hive wouldn’t cause any type of ’imbalance’. Especially when we remember that the Queen’s purpose in a hive is that of laying eggs.

 
I meant that they would be unsure as to which one of them was the dominant leader. The Queen does call the shots, does she not? Or maybe I just got the wrong impression from the movies....... Of course, if the Hives work together without a single leading entity or just don’t work together at all, an Empress wouldn’t be needed.
 
Perhaps I should have said ’more than one Hive’ instead of ’more than one Queen’; I thought you’d get my point because multiple Hives mean multiple Queens.  
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[Jason Wolf]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 29.07.2005 at 21:34:26

and I agree with ya. Yet why would an Empress be needed if she isn’t the brain to the whole race. with out her the aliens will basically crumble, and probally eventually a Queen will become the new one. I don’t truly know, haven’t gotten far in the whole Alien book series. The farthest I got so far is the introduction of the Alien King, which was a lab created Alien with some human DNA and other things, and it was destroyed by ONE Queen. "

[Deathbite]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 30.07.2005 at 00:16:20

on 29.07.2005 at 08:45:58, Dutch90  wrote:

I meant that they would be unsure as to which one of them was the dominant leader.

I don’t see how they would be unsure of that. One Queen in one hive. I’d think that in such as system the it’d be fairly easy to distinguish that. After all, our ants and bees have been doing it for millions of years!
 
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Of course, if the Hives work together without a single leading entity or just don’t work together at all, an Empress wouldn’t be needed.

For some sort of Empress to have a place, I’d imagine it’d need to have some sort of greater purpose beyond being the baddest of egg layers. I proposed something like a "link" with all hives because I couldn’t think of anything better...    
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[CaptJim]

"Posted at AvP Outbreak on 25.07.2005 at 19:15:57

Nobody really considers the games to be filled with accurate information. Not regarding what you posted, but other, smaller, things: Such as the ability to kill an Alien with a knife while it?s clawing at you. An Alien?s ability to leap like 50 feet into the air. I know their physically dexterious, but their not fleas. A chestburster surviving gunshots, stupid things like that have made fans believe the games to be too far-fetched to be taken as canon.
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That's to balance the game.