Connecting the movies

[cfirebird86]

After watching AVPR (which I loved) my dad asked the question. IF Aliens were on the planet present then why in the future do they not know about them and why aren't they prepared. I told my dad not to strain his brain to think about it.

But i know us crazy people here can take it appart and put it back to  make sense.

SO with the end of the Yutani lady how to do you think every comes to gether. charles bishhop Weyland in the first one who get a trip up there in the avp. do you think his company was being bought by Yutani and they sent him up there. OR did they read his notes or something......

[Thedus]

AVP-R opens 24 hours (+/-) after the end of AVP.  I doubt Yutani Corp. could have read much of anything from Weyland Industries in that time.  And I don't think that Yutani Corp. had anything to do with Charles Weyland going to the pyramid.  He did a pretty good job of conveying the fact that he wanted to claim the pyramid as a Weyland Industries find.  And I don't think either company new about the alien prior to the events in either film.  OWLF appears to be a division of Yutani Corp. so they new of the predator, but not likely the alien.

I think Yutani Corp moved in on Weyland Industries because after Weyland's death (and the failed mission to Antarctica) Weyland Industries' stocks would probably begin to drop.  Without the guiding force of Charles Weyland Weyland Industries was probably on unsteady ground, add to this the uncertainty of where a company will go with an interim CEO and Yutani Corp probably smelled blood in the water.  Also Weyland Industries robotics were probably very interesting to Yutani Corp. ...especially after acquiring predator technology.

As for the alien: OWLF had no idea what was actually going on in the town.  The only shot Stevens seemed to have was a close-up of an alien's teeth.  After the town was blown off the map there was little to gather intel on.  It's likely the beacon that was transmitting from the derelict was a coincidence, and given the amount of info Yutani Corp. had from Gunnison it isn't likely they put 2 and 2 together.  Of course all of this will probably be answered in AVP3, and a connection will be made, but for now this is what we have to work with.

[armlessman]

Weyland dies in AVP but how can he be in Alien3 (set in the future) as the 'real' guy that Bishop is based on?

[InspectorDC]

It could be a very distant relative and that he had very strong genes.. or it's just someone who looks like him.

[Thedus]

Weyland dies in AVP but how can he be in Alien3 (set in the future) as the 'real' guy that Bishop is based on?

It's called, "A major lack of continuity due to Anderson not paying attention."

If Charles Weyland was such a pioneer in robotics and such a prominent public and industrial figure his portrait would be pretty well known. And as his name is half of W-Y it's very likely that his portrait would be displayed at the various W-Y headquarters locations (along with Ms. Yutani's), both in posthumous honor, and as they were the founding elements of the respective portions of the company.

Take Microsoft, for example.  There is not a single employee who doesn't know Bill Gate's face.  Even if they never met him.  And 100 years from now, if Microsoft still exists Mr. Gates' photo will still be up on walls, and employees will know who he is.

As an employee of W-Y, I find it hard to believe that Ripley would not have even vaguely recognized Bishop as a replica of Charles Weyland when she saw him on the Sulaco, which means that she would have known he was android long before she exploded at the breakfast table.  She would have made the connection when she boarded prior to departure.  Even if she didn't remember Mr. Weyland's every facial detail, there'd still be some familiarity with the man's visage.

So then where does that leave us with ALIEN3?  How could Ripley have even remotely believed Bishop II's claim that he was a human?  And worse yet, why would someone in W-Y think it was a smart idea to send another android claiming to be the creator, if it's widely known that Charles Weyland had been dead for ages.  What good would that do?  ...The android claiming to be the creator looks like the guy who died in the 21st century!  The ruse would never work, and Ripley would have called him on it.  Yet, there is a moment when she believes that Bishop II is human.  It just doesn't work.  So thanks to Anderson we have a major point of conflict between the ALIEN franchise and the AVP franchise.

[InspectorDC]

I never completely bought that argument Thedus. Sure you know what Bill Gates looks like, but what does the founder of Macdonald's look like? Or Sony? Or even Ford? In 100 years I doubt that many will know what Bill Gates looks like really.

It does require a bit suspension of belief, but it's not a bit enough problem to be a continuety error in my opinion.

[deezelboy]

Sure you know what Bill Gates looks like, but what does the founder of Macdonald's look like? Or Sony? Or even Ford?

Well, that's a good enough reason to bring out this again:



See the guy accepting the German Grand Cross from those two German Nazi diplomats in 1937?  That's Henry Ford, bless him, scourge of The International Jew, the World's Foremost Problem, and Nazism's biggest PR agent in the US at the time.  Wanker.

Sorry - love that photo! 

But the main thing is that if the Company were into the habit of designing droids around their founder, then you can bet they told their employees all about it.  Or else why do it?  It's too much of a publicity stunt not to.

[Sterile]

To me Michael Bishop is the creator of the androids.

There are three worlds: Alien, Predator and Alien vs Predator. Never mind connecting them, it's pointless. Why wouldn't Ripley know about Charles? Simple, Alien 3 came out before AvP, so it's AvP's fault because the plot hole is in that film.

[pcth]

There are three worlds: Alien, Predator and Alien vs Predator. Never mind connecting them, it's pointless.

Exactly.

[dude]

The Predator films exist in the same world as Die Hard and Commando. As per the commentary of one of the films.

[Neltharion]

It could be a very distant relative and that he had very strong genes.. or it's just someone who looks like him.

And in case anyone doubts you cant look like your great great grandfather i can tell you that My grandfather looks like his Great Great Grandfathers twin.

But i think Thedus made a pretty good conection so im inclined to agree with it.

[alvspr]

Who is this Colonel Stevens?  I know you're talking about the military guy in AvsP R but does he have any relevance to any other film?

[alvspr]

Also regarding Weyland and the droid issue.  Here's my take:

Bishop was designed and built by the guy in Alien 3 who is a descendant of Charles Bishop Weyland.

[dude]

For future reference, use the EDIT button if you want to add something to your post.

[beckmen]

I never completely bought that argument Thedus. Sure you know what Bill Gates looks like, but what does the founder of Macdonald's look like? Or Sony? Or even Ford? In 100 years I doubt that many will know what Bill Gates looks like really.

It does require a bit suspension of belief, but it's not a bit enough problem to be a continuety error in my opinion.

I agree with this statement. Alien probably takes place 200 years from AVP...plenty of time for Weyland's face to be forgotten in time. Hell, I didn't even recognize Ford in that pic and that was, what...70 years ago?

Bishop was made in the image of Charles Weyland. So that would indicate that it was part of some PR stunt? Maybe, but not necessarily. It could have been more of an inside joke on the part of some designer. Somebody more in the know than lowly Ripley, some Warrant Officer...small potatoes, not concerned with the history of her employers. But even if it was a publicity stunt, Ripley could have not known. Remember she was gone for 57 years...in those years maybe Weyland's image was discovered and started to be used as a marketing tool once again...a kind of retro fad thing.

Additionally, remember that Anderson thought Bishop II was a droid. Why wouldn't he? He's fucking credited as 'Bishop II', not 'Bishop's Creator' or whatever. An easy mistake to make, especially at that time before the Alien³ commentary. I am alone in still liking to choose to believe that he is a Replicant of sorts...but that's another story.