Tony Scott Confirms Alien Prequel! (Updated 30.5.09)

[BlackWatch]

Honestly, this might make me sound like an idiot or an ignorant git, but I had so much fun watching it that I just didn't care about the plotholes.

I mean, shit, it's Star Trek. You're almost guaranteed to get plotholes. As long as we had fun watching it, that's all that matters until I see it again.

That's exactly how I felt too!

Watching a second time might be a mistake...

[maledoro]

And then proceed to bitch about how you didn't want any desert and didn't need it in the first place?

He didn't bitch about the ice cream; he bitched about the catfish milkshake, sheeps' eyes pudding and the tarantula pie that had followed the ice cream.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Even people who disagree with other people's opinions.

That's correct.

You might not even think that everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I believe that you are entitled to that opinion.

On the contrary, I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I also believe that I am entitled to believe that LV's statements were a bit contradictory, and that his opinion about Alien being better off sans sequels is wrong. It's my opinion, you see.

That wasn't the issue I was pointing out. My issue was that you made it sound like that just because he felt that Alien³ was unnecessary that he should also dislike it; which, IMHO, is absurd.

All I was doing was showing that it's possible to appreciate something in spite of its lack of necessity.

[Neltharion]

This new Alien movie if made will be terrible, go ahead and call me an idiot Nell but I'm making a perfectly logical conclusion based on Fox's track record with the series

What?

Basing your verdict on a track record is not logical. Its illogical, this may be the Chemist in me talking, but if you make a conclusion on a trend without any other variables at all (as you have done) you're going against intuition.

If you show me a script, a director, the cast and a trailer. Then your automatic hate can start to become justified and logical. Otherwise, stay on the fence.




But, let me clarify. I never said wanting one was in anyway wrong, or not wanting one in your case. You can not want another one, but the fact you are saying its crap after its just had a conformation is whats griping me. Not that you don't want one.

[dude]

It's absolutely fine to air any grievances, or hopes, whatsoever.  But expect others to do the same, and respond to yours, and understand it's not an attack, partial or otherwise, it's just people doing the same as you're doing, just expressing their viewpoint as well.

How is (supposedly) telling me to fuck off, responding to an opinion?

Pretty much what I was saying, but more focused on Limited Vertigo in response terms.

My view is, sit on the fence until you see something. So what if the last two films including Aliens were crap, does that automatically mean its going to be crap? If your going from a purely chance perspective and leaving out every single other fucking variable then yes, this is the most stupid and illogical way to look at it.

If your at either extreme, then you're being an idiot. The man who just denounces it with no evidence is a fool. It would like be going into court and trying to convict a man of murder, granted he is already got a record, with no evidence but a hunch because the last two times he was a suspect he was the culprit.

Its illogical and pathetic really.

There, thats an attack at the people at either end of the extreme, if thats what you were looking for dudelove, you got it.

No it's not. The guy is a three time convicted killer, it's in human nature to expect the worst even if you hold the greatest hope he is reformed.

[Limited Vertigo]

Nel it is perfectly logical to assume the worst in regards to any new movie from Fox involving the alien.  They've made twice as many bad movies involving the alien as they have good movies.  A little common sense and a sprinkle of personal taste can easily lead someone to believe all hope is lost when finding out Fox has decided to make another movie about the alien.

Especially since I'm against any new movie in the series, I could careless who they get to do what.  I'm against it, period.

In regards to your use of "science", I have plenty of variables at my disposal in judging this latest alien movie from Fox.

1) It's from Fox
2) The trend of the series showing a steady than steep drop off in quality
3) The fact that it's intended to be a prequel, thus going against some of what made the original so great (the mystery).
4) The choice of director
5) Giger not involved

[SM]

They've made twice as many bad movies involving the alien as they have good movies.  A little common sense and a sprinkle of personal taste can easily lead someone to believe all hope is lost when finding out Fox has decided to make another movie about the alien.

"Twice as many bad movies involving the alien" is just a teensy weensy bit more than a "sprinkle" of personal taste...

[Limited Vertigo]

That isn't just my personal opinion/taste it is the general consensus among movie viewers and critics.

[SM]

How do you figure that?

If we assume you're talking about the last four films:

Alien3 tanked critically, but still turned a tidy enough profit and rates 6.1 among viewers on IMDB.
Resurrection did better critically than Alien3, also made money, and also rates 6.1.
The AvPs rate 5.4 and 4.8 with IMDB voters, were critical failures but still made money.

So, no, I'm seeing more opinion than consensus on Alien3 and Resurrection.

And if you're including Aliens - well that'd be just silly.

[dude]

Not to mention Alien 3 should be at 6.5, but got ballot stuffed down to 6.1. It would've been much further if the troll hadn't been caught and deleted. Resurrection did pretty well critically for a fourquel and 6.1 denotes passability.

[SM]

Yeah, exactly.  Which would more indicate that four out of six films at least have a "Pass" grade.

[SiL]

Why are you equating enjoyable/profitable with good? The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive either, but just because a movie made a lot of money doesn't mean it was good.

[SM]

Then how else are we supposed to quantify anything?  I included box office, Rotten Tomato ratings and IMDB rating to cover critic and viewer response.  What else is there to use if one wants to gauge a consensus?

[SiL]

Oh, I wasn't talking consensus. Carry on.

[LargeLeader]

I'm surprised Resurrection is rated so highly.

[Sebastian]

We can thank the AvP's for that!