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Re: Sigourney Weaver - She won't be back
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2009, 07:35:41 PM »

Aliens sucks, Alien 3 owns all.

IMO.

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« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2009, 07:35:50 PM »

*yawn* It's done just swimmingly without her though, eh?

I'm sure the next one will do just fine without her.
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Re: Sigourney Weaver - She won't be back
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2009, 07:38:00 PM »

Still haven't seen why the Alien 3 story sucks. Just a whole lot of gassbagging.
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« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2009, 07:42:50 PM »

Lols at getting a demerit for saying Alien sucks.

 I don't want to die, but I haven't been able to sit through it in years.
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Re: Sigourney Weaver - She won't be back
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2009, 07:47:32 PM »

Still haven't seen why the Alien 3 story sucks. Just a whole lot of gassbagging.
In context.

1) all of the survivors except Ripley of course are dispatched in the introduction of the movie. Let's just wipe the slate clean so Ripley can be center stage again.

2) Aliens was bad because guns are bad, let's make sure Alien 3 has as few guns as possible. In fact let's not even give them proper knives.

3) Instead of progressing the story to either Earth or the Alien homeworld, let's do neither and stop at a planet with only a dozen or so people.

4) let's make sure Ripley is the only female so as much attention can be put on her as possible. She's one of the producers after all.

5) in the future no one knows what to do in a crisis, except Ripley of course.

6) Ripley defender of earth and all the galaxy, is easily defeated and outsmarted by rape gangs.

I can go on but you get the idea...
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Re: Sigourney Weaver - She won't be back
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2009, 08:04:12 PM »

*yawn* It's done just swimmingly without her though, eh?

Do you have a point? Not having Ripley had nothing to do with the failure of the AVP films.
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« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2009, 08:13:47 PM »

In context.

1) all of the survivors except Ripley of course are dispatched in the introduction of the movie. Let's just wipe the slate clean so Ripley can be center stage again.

2) Aliens was bad because guns are bad, let's make sure Alien 3 has as few guns as possible. In fact let's not even give them proper knives.

3) Instead of progressing the story to either Earth or the Alien homeworld, let's do neither and stop at a planet with only a dozen or so people.

4) let's make sure Ripley is the only female so as much attention can be put on her as possible. She's one of the producers after all.

5) in the future no one knows what to do in a crisis, except Ripley of course.

6) Ripley defender of earth and all the galaxy, is easily defeated and outsmarted by rape gangs.

I can go on but you get the idea...


1. I'm pretty sure they did that to set the tone for the rest of the movie. I don't think a woman starring in a movie with "3" in the title can really use it as a star vehicle. Let's not forget that she had been established many years earlier. And even if those other characters would've been in the movie, she still would have been center stage because she's the goddamn main character.

2. Your attempt at satire is sort of lost on me here. And I'm not so sure why including no guns until the end was a bad thing. They still had the means to kill the Alien even without them, but figuring that out was part of the suspense of the story.

3. The story of why there are are only 25 prisoners is explained fairly reasonably in the film. It makes sense. But you complained that the prisoners had nothing to fight with, which sort of implies that you may think they were simply used as fodder in a slasher-flick type way. Well...if the movie would've been set on Earth then there's even more people for the Aliens to kill who are unarmed and helpless.

4. Again...I'm pretty sure that it's safe to say Weaver wasn't trying to use the movie as a star vehicle. It had a 23 year old director after a pre-production process that was a total nightmare for everyone involved. I'm not totally sure why it's necessary for there to be another female alongside her. I mean they basically did that with Winona Ryder in Resurrection, and I know you loved how that turned out didn't you?

5. You're making me want to throw a brick through a window to blow of steam with that remark. She's the only fucking person who's survived an encounter with the Aliens! WHO THE FUCK ELSE IS GOING TO KNOW WHAT TO DO?

6. Outsmarted? How was she supposed to outsmart the rape gang then? They had her surrounded.


I mean look, you're making it sound like she was a superhero in 3. It's probably her most humble appearance in all four movies. If anything, she's a superhero in Aliens and that's much more of a star vehicle with its sights centered on her the whole time.

Also, what did Ripley ever do to you? Not answer your fan mail?
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« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2009, 08:17:21 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2009, 08:45:11 PM »

1. I'm pretty sure they did that to set the tone for the rest of the movie. I don't think a woman starring in a movie with "3" in the title can really use it as a star vehicle. Let's not forget that she had been established many years earlier. And even if those other characters would've been in the movie, she still would have been center stage because she's the goddamn main character.

Aww man, you can't really think that was done for any reason other than to wipe the slate clean can you? Cameron was hated (at least disliked) by many people involved (including Siggy) with the series. He has expressed his frustration before. Even the british crew didn't like this American making the sequel to Alien. They didn't like the direction he took the movie.  They erased what he did.


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2. Your attempt at satire is sort of lost on me here. And I'm not so sure why including no guns until the end was a bad thing. They still had the means to kill the Alien even without them, but figuring that out was part of the suspense of the story.

Sigourney was one of the producers, she openly shuns guns in a big way. She is very anti gun. Once the 2nd movie raised the bar to multiple Aliens actively stalking and fighting with humans. You can not just go back to one Alien in the dark... you just can't.

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3. The story of why there are are only 25 prisoners is explained fairly reasonably in the film. It makes sense. But you complained that the prisoners had nothing to fight with, which sort of implies that you may think they were simply used as fodder in a slasher-flick type way. Well...if the movie would've been set on Earth then there's even more people for the Aliens to kill who are unarmed and helpless.

Earth is our origin, all ripley talks about is what if these get to earth. It has been the underlying theme since the first movie... To make this pit stop in the screen admitted forgotten end of the universe is a step even further away from earth then LV-426 itself. It is a sideways move... neither here or there. If all the movies were actually one movie, Alien3 would be the misdirection movies use to keep you guessing.


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4. Again...I'm pretty sure that it's safe to say Weaver wasn't trying to use the movie as a star vehicle. It had a 23 year old director after a pre-production process that was a total nightmare for everyone involved. I'm not totally sure why it's necessary for there to be another female alongside her. I mean they basically did that with Winona Ryder in Resurrection, and I know you loved how that turned out didn't you?

 this is the studios move and possible Sigourney's too, to make her the complete underdog and to underline that she is "their" true center to the series. I am telling you, if she continued to make these movies.... she would eventually have changed the title to R I P L E Y. In the next movie they did the same thing only this time she is part Alien... merging her with the Aliens. Making her not just a survivor, but even more unique in some way. As if being the survivor doesn't make her special enough.



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5. You're making me want to throw a brick through a window to blow of steam with that remark. She's the only fucking person who's survived an encounter with the Aliens! WHO THE FUCK ELSE IS GOING TO KNOW WHAT TO DO?

Naw man, you are not seeing it clearly.... not only do they look to her for advice on the Aliens, they can't seem to even naivgate their own world without her. Even in the movie Aliens there are moments when I cringe. The whole universe is written WAY too dumb for my taste.

Compare a movie like Predator. Anorld is the hero, we all know he is going to be the one who survives. Never any doubt about it. But look how all the others are written. They are all just as smart and as capable as he is. In fact they let the predator slap him around near the end. THAT is how a hero should be portrayed. Ripley is more like Bugs Bunny, always in on the joke while everyone else is is laughed at. 


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6. Outsmarted? How was she supposed to outsmart the rape gang then? They had her surrounded.

They got her didn't they? If those were Aliens she would have sensed them....LOL

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I mean look, you're making it sound like she was a superhero in 3. It's probably her most humble appearance in all four movies. If anything, she's a superhero in Aliens and that's much more of a star vehicle with its sights centered on her the whole time.

Also, what did Ripley ever do to you? Not answer your fan mail?

In my opinion she is a major part in ruining the best sci fi movie series. EDIT: in Aliens no one relies on her. She is scoffed at the debriefing, she is left back in the APC during the first fight. She is consulted after Burke is down but during the fight, she is encourage to stay back. She is even rescued from the face huggers. She does do the power move to go after newt but only after Hicks was injured while saving her again.
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« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2009, 09:04:06 PM »

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In my opinion she is a major part in ruining the best sci fi movie series.

If this movie series contains a dumbly written universe and the worst main character this side of legoland, then why is it the best sci-fi movie series? Especially if 50% of the movies in the series are just unwatchable hogwash? 

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« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2009, 09:08:23 PM »

If this movie series contains a dumbly written universe and the worst main character this side of legoland, then why is it the best sci-fi movie series? Especially if 50% of the movies in the series are just unwatchable hogwash? 


Because there are only two movies in the series. The last two are just mistakes in my opinion. Aliens has WAY more good than bad. As I explained in an edit. Aliens rides the fine balance pretty good, it does cross the line a few times but never too bad.


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Because is it anti climatic.
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« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2009, 09:14:16 PM »

Aww man, you can't really think that was done for any reason other than to wipe the slate clean can you? Cameron was hated (at least disliked) by many people involved (including Siggy) with the series. He has expressed his frustration before. Even the british crew didn't like this American making the sequel to Alien. They didn't like the direction he took the movie.  They erased what he did.

At what point in history do we hear about Sigourney hating, or even disliking, Cameron? Honestly, if it's on record I've never heard/read about it so I'd be interested in getting that information.

Sigourney was one of the producers, she openly shuns guns in a big way.

They might as well have put my name in the credits under Producer for all the invovlement she had in the film in that respect. It was litteraly namesake. You want a Producer credit? Sure, whatever, you're a Producer.

She is very anti gun. Once the 2nd movie raised the bar to multiple Aliens actively stalking and fighting with humans. You can not just go back to one Alien in the dark... you just can't.

Allow me... why?

Earth is our origin, all ripley talks about is what if these get to earth. It has been the underlying theme since the first movie...

And so if the major theme is for the Aliens to never make it to Earth you think they should have? Eh?

If all the movies were actually one movie, Alien3 would be the misdirection movies use to keep you guessing.

So you like generic, predictable films then?


this is the studios move and possible Sigourney's too, to make her the complete underdog and to underline that she is "their" true center to the series.

As characters goes, she is. I'm not really a Ripley fan, but I can at least see that. Anyway, how would you have had it? Kill off Ripley in the beginning and let Hix 'n' Noot shine as the stars? Or should Ripley have disappeared into the background and let the inmates steal the show? The series, culminating in Alien 3, was about Ripley's journey against these things. Why are you so shocked she was at the centre of the film?

I am telling you, if she continued to make these movies.... she would eventually have changed the title to R I P L E Y.

Statments like that make me take your opinion less seriously, not more. Roll Eyes

In the next movie they did the same thing only this time she is part Alien... merging her with the Aliens. Making her not just a survivor, but even more unique in some way. As if being the survivor doesn't make her special enough.

There are very few fans that will disagree that Resurrection was unnecessary. Ripley's story ended in Alien 3. But daddy needed a new pair of shoes, so...

Naw man, you are not seeing it clearly.... not only do they look to her for advice on the Aliens, they can't seem to even naivgate their own world without her. Even in the movie Aliens there are moments when I cringe. The whole universe is written WAY too dumb for my taste.

Begs the question again - so why are you a fan?

Compare a movie like Predator. Anorld is the hero, we all know he is going to be the one who survives. Never any doubt about it. But look how all the others are written. They are all just as smart and as capable as he is. In fact they let the predator slap him around near the end. THAT is how a hero should be portrayed. Ripley is more like Bugs Bunny, always in on the joke while everyone else is is laughed at.

You really seem to like to exaggerate your points. In the first film she was as helpless as everyone else. In Aliens she had prior knowledge of their existence which made her valuable to the mission to LV-426 but she was hardly portrayed as knowing everything about them and what to do to survive. And in Alien 3 of course she was more experienced with facing the creatures, it was her third time. If she hadn't learned something from her past two encounters she'd have had to have been a pretty dumb bitch, wouldn't she?

They got her didn't they? If those were Aliens she would have sensed them....LOL

See earlier point about taking your opinion seriously after comments like this.

In my opinion she is a major part in ruining the best sci fi movie series.

So basically you wanted three or four films with nothing but Aliens running around doing... what exactly?

Because there are only two movies in the series. The last two are just mistakes in my opinion.

Nope. No fanboys here.

Because is it anti climatic.

That hardly answers the question adequately. You might as well said "because I said so".
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« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2009, 09:15:13 PM »


Because there are only two movies in the series. The last two are just mistakes in my opinion. Aliens has WAY more good than bad. As I explained in an edit. Aliens rides the fine balance pretty good, it does cross the line a few times but never too bad.


It's the best sci fi movie series simply because it has two movies in it? So does the Predator series.

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« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2009, 09:26:50 PM »

The replies are getting too big for me to answer all the points. Hicks I never said I wasn't a fanboy nor do I consider that an insult. I literally surround myself with everything Alien and Aliens I am typing this in a room with chains hanging from the ceiling like the Nostromo. I can not turn my head without seeing some kind of Alien gizmo, figure, or drawing. Soon to be fullsize models. That's about as fanboy as you get. I wear the badge with honor.

We are clearly seeing the movies from two opposite points of view. Maybe you have made the mistake in thinking I was rooting for the humans all this time. Smiley

I have watched and read dozens upon dozens making of specials, stories, interviews what not. I can't begin to hope to remember the exact quote or location of what you are asking for. Feel free to think I made it up if it makes you feel better. Smiley

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It's the best sci fi movie series simply because it has two movies in it? So does the Predator series.

that doesn't deserve a real reply.
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« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2009, 09:39:50 PM »

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