RIP Ted Kennedy

[deezelboy]

Wasn't he also an IRA supporter? It would have been way before my time but I remember someone saying he was accused of fundraising for them and all sorts. Is that true? I know he arranged for Gerry Adams' trip to the states when no one else would touch him.

Difficult to say. He sympathised with the IRA's ends to a certain extent, but he always renounced violence as a means to achieve them, and urged Americans not to support Noraid, the fundraising arm in the US.  He certainly played a meaningful role in the peace process.

The Telegraph and the Daily Mail are spitting blood over the obituaries...

EDIT - Found what I was missing.  Don't look like the punters are buying it...

Interesting.  So if that story's true, he lied under oath along with other witnesses.  Not sure I buy that either.  

[Vulhala]

The Irish Times article mentioned in the Mail seems very balanced. Moreso than the other two anyway.

[CompanyMan]

...he lied under oath...     

Politicians would never do that.

Well none of that makes him a "murderer".  Negligent certainly.

Manslaughter is what I would be charged with, had it happened to me, or any other common citizen.

[maledoro]

He was part Irish though wasn't he? I guess at the time of the troubles, there were quite a few Irish-Americans who were sympathetic to them.

That's like saying that if this were the 1940s I would be sympathetic to Mussolini because I'm an Italian-American.

[Lie under oath]
Politicians would never do that.

Not all of them.

Manslaughter is what I would be charged with, had it happened to me, or any other common citizen.

More likely, it would be accessory to murder.

[CompanyMan]

Which you could plea down to manslaughter. I get liquored up and drive me and buddy barhopping, I wreck they die, manslaughter. I know to many it has happened to. Not personally, but still.

[maledoro]

Which you could plea down to manslaughter.

You can plea down to anything, but the crime stands as accessory to murder.

I get liquored up and drive me and buddy barhopping, I wreck they die, manslaughter. I know to many it has happened to. Not personally, but still.

Using that in the Ted Kennedy/IRA scenario would be like saying that Ted was the driver and not the bartender who had served you and your buddy.

[CompanyMan]

Using that in the Ted Kennedy/IRA scenario would be like saying that Ted was the driver and not the bartender who had served you and your buddy.

Well, bar establishment get sued all the time for serving those who don't need to be, and don't let me hear that act that protects liquor establishments from it, because it gets roughed up all the time.

But, I was not comparing " manslaughter " to his IRA dealings. As for that, I have yet to see proof as well. Just blogs, which was previously mentioned. I had always heard that as well. But until I see concrete evidence then I can only act as a flag waving right-wing rablerousing goon!

...but the crime stands as accessory to murder.

I disagree. Based on having been this close to becoming a police officer. Having spent most of my 5 and a half years in college ( well, over 60 credit hours in police and Administration of Justice classes ), having a DUI on my criminal record, and knowing people that have killed people in a vehicle and been charged with manslaughter.

Killing in the prosecution of a lawful act, improperly performed, or performed without lawful authority. Which includes DUI, and vehicular death cases.

[maledoro]

But, I was not comparing " manslaughter " to his IRA dealings.

I thought you were. Which leads us to...

I disagree.

This was when we (I?) were talking about Ted Kennedy, the IRA and manslaughter vs. accessory to murder.

[CompanyMan]

I think we are all fouled up now.

You are saying accessory to murder is for if the IRA thing was true? Right?

I am saying what happened in/at Chappaquiddick, would be considered manslaughter?

If that is what we are both meaning, then argument destroyed!

[maledoro]

You are saying accessory to murder is for if the IRA thing was true? Right?

Yep.

I am saying what happened in/at Chappaquiddick, would be considered manslaughter?

Ah, I see the root of the confusion. You switched topics without a segue. I was talking about his alleged involvement with the IRA and you were talking about manslaughter without letting me know that you had referenced Chappaquiddick.

Sure, you used you and your buddy as an example, but I thought you were using that as an unusual example toward Ted's responsibility toward the IRA, since that's what we were talking about.

[CompanyMan]

Right on, simple miscommunication my friend. We are on the same page now. Thumbs up!



Heh, no, dunno any IRA guys. I did meet a former " supposed " members once though that taught bomb making in a specific Army School I attended, but that is about all I can say about that.

[Vulhala]

That's like saying that if this were the 1940s I would be sympathetic to Mussolini because I'm an Italian-American.

No that's not what I was saying at all. That's why I said a few. I didn't generalise and say all of them must have been sympathetic.

[maledoro]

No that's not what I was saying at all. That's why I said a few. I didn't generalise and say all of them must have been sympathetic.

Nor did I say all Italian-Americans.

[Vulhala]

Touche