the whole pred-alien concept

[SM]

Yeah.  Made no sense at all did it.

[Pandorag]

how could the predalien not be a hybrid queen it made allot of aliens even thought the method that which it did freaked people out! it also made the nest in the sewer! when on board the pred ship when it shedding its skin or what not like aliens do when they grow the predalien made the same breathing sounds as the queen from aliens!!!!!

The more I read about what you guys say, the more I'm beginning to despise the movie. I'm trying to view this movie as a whole, but pointing out little things makes it unbearable. I guess I was blind to it before... or I wanted to be.

Yeah.  Made no sense at all did it.

I'm still trying to figure out his point.

[SM]

I'm trying to view this movie as a whole

Maybe try viewing as a hole. 

[Kaneda]

Or a re-branding from Weyland to Weylan, and then some retro style re-rebranding some 60 years later putting it back to Weyland again.

The aliens seem to have exoskeletons, but maybe they have endoskulls. I dunno. They are alien.

I figured that the aliens had exoskeletons that pale after a long period of time.

[deezelboy]

The aliens seem to have exoskeletons, but maybe they have endoskulls. I dunno. They are alien.

The original Alien definitely had an endoskull!

[Thedus]

how could the predalien not be a hybrid queen it made allot of aliens even thought the method that which it did freaked people out! it also made the nest in the sewer! when on board the pred ship when it shedding its skin or what not like aliens do when they grow the predalien made the same breathing sounds as the queen from aliens!!!!!

Did we see the Predalien making the "nest" in the sewers?  We know it attacked the homeless chaps, but there were adult aliens near by, and we know that the adult aliens are capable of cocooning and creating "nest" areas for hosts.  We see this in ALIEN, and in ALIENS.  In ALIENS the Queen is suspended from the room of the hive and otherwise immobile due to her huge ovipositor and her roll as the dominant egg producer.  She couldn't have cocooned the colonists, or built the bulk of the hive.  The adult aliens were doing this.  So it's just as likely that when the Predalien was done with it's victims the adults stepped in and secured the hosts with secretions.

...the only question is that the development rate of the implanted bursters in the hosts is only a matter of minutes (just look how long it took for the maternity ward victims to pop!), so how the hell did anyone create that much webbing in that little time!  I know the aliens are fast, but I don't think they can control time!

But to get back to your point: I don't think the Predalien was responsible the cocooning.

[ondemand]

now that you point it out it didn't reproduce exactly like the original queen but it was a hybrid of the two so it changed how made aliens! it made other aliens so basically yeah it was! what would you call it then??

[Kaneda]

The original Alien definitely had an endoskull!

I love that design. I hope they bring it back.

[Thedus]

now that you point it out it didn't reproduce exactly like the original queen but it was a hybrid of the two so it changed how made aliens! it made other aliens so basically yeah it was! what would you call it then??

The adult alien on the Nostromo was making eggs, and that wasn't a queen.  Ripley was a vector for creating an entire hive of  aliens in AR, but she's not a queen.  The Predalien was a hybrid just like any other of the aliens we've seen (alien/human hybrid, alien/dog hybrid or alien/cow hybrid (depending on which version you watch), alien/predator hybrid).  ...And by your logic the facehuggers should be queens since they're sole purpose is to make aliens as well.

The Predalien was a hybrid like any other that is all. It presumably kept the other aliens from creating eggs through force - as we see in the sewer when it smacked the adult aliens way from the homeless woman.

[ondemand]

wasn't it said that it was a queen by one of the strauses in the bonus features of avpr? it been a while since i last watched it!

[Nev]

wasn't it said that it was a queen by one of the strauses in the bonus features of avpr? it been a while since i last watched it!

You listen to Beavis and Butt-Head?

[ondemand]

they made and directed it! why not?

[Thedus]

The Strause Bros. also said that Chet's reproductive methods were an inherited trait from the Predator.  In an interview with AXP I believe they also said that they wanted to explore possibilities of how an immature queen helped populate a hive.  Problem is that if the oral impregnation is in anyway an "inherited" trait from Predators then whether its a queen or not is irrelevant.  What we have is an alien who has inherited the lions share of Predator DNA: it's bigger, has dreads, mandibles, and can reproduce like a Predator.

...And speaking of it's method of reproduction: It's a very inefficient method of reproduction for a queen: Chet only used pregnant humans as hosts... That severely limits your options for host potential in a given environment.  And what happens after all of the pregnant humans in a given area are used-up in creating offspring?  Do the aliens up and move the entire hive?  It doesn't work. The perfect organism would not operate this way.  Where are the eggs?  The eggs are what sustains the alien as a species.  Even after the members of the hive are dead and gone the eggs will still remain... waiting in their perfect and infinite patience for the opportunity to come to life.  Chet was not a queen.  And if he was he was a piss poor queen!  As we see in the ALIEN films any species, and any member of a species, that is large enough to accommodate an embryo is considered a viable host.

Chet is no more a Queen than the Newborn was, or any other alien was for that matter.  It's merely the result of an alien being born of a given host.  Just like the alien on the Nostromo was transforming Brett into an egg, so did Chet transform human fetuses into bursters.  It's just another method of host-to-alien morphing.  This one just cuts out he middle man of using eggs and facehuggers.

The Strauses are fans of ALIEN and PREDATOR to be sure, but they unfortunately contradict themselves numerous times in interviews, and on screen.  They didn't think the Predalien through.  Instead they would say things like, "We thought it would be cool if we did this..." or "explore that..." and gave it no more thought than a 10 year old mixing various soft drinks together to see what would happen.  Unfortunately the end result was much the same as that 10 year old: vomitting up of ideas and realizing that not everything works when you mix it together.

[ondemand]

that's what i have said before in other forums that the way the predalien reproduces is what it took from the predator but was quickly dismissed!